[TERA PC & Console] En Masse is closing, but TERA lives on! We will continue to support TERA PC (NA) and TERA Console until service is transferred. Stay tuned for more information.
[TERA Console] The Grotto of Lost Souls update (v85) is now live! Read the patch notes here: https://bit.ly/TERACon_v85
[TERA PC] The 64-bit update (v97) is now live. Check out all the changes delivered on August 11 here: https://bit.ly/tera64_patchnotes
[TERA PC & CONSOLE] Summerfest Part 2: The Beach Bash is on from August 11 until September 1! Participate in event activities to earn tokens redeemable for costumes, consumables, mounts, and more! Details: https://bit.ly/tera_sf20
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I feel like an idiot because I only just found out that you're an idiot.
Glad you finally admit you have no answer to that question. Though how you being unable to back up your claims makes me an idiot is beyond me.
Exaggerating and making up stories doesn't make your point anymore true. It's uncommon for an actual person trying to be better to walk into SSHM with an incorrect setup. You can fail SSHM with perfect gear and consumables, the best floor warmers (or low contributors) I've seen were those with maxed out gear with everything rolled perfectly, it's called lack of skill. I am talking about people being competitive, not casuals or people who don't care, or those who just started playing and are still clueless. Then again, you don't want to discuss what really happens as it doesn't fit your narrative.
The advantage is still there, and whether it matters or not has nothing at all to do with anything. The point is whether the advantage is there or not, anything beyond that is simply a person's opinion. I am not discussing opinions. No one said you needed it to clear content (another exaggeration made up by you) and score boards have nothing to do with anything considering most pve games never have score boards anyways. There are other ways to know how well a person or group is doing without scoreboards.
As I said, you don't care, which is fine. Not everyone is going to care about something. However, that doesn't change the meaning of words, and I said it was best to leave it at the fact you don't care. I personally don't care either considering my reason for wanting the passives removed or changed has nothing to do with pay to win or not, I wouldn't even change my mind if they gave out the other versions to everyone for free. The passives simply have no place in this game, and it's funny people saying the passives "make no difference" yet they defend the very existence of the passives. If the passives do nothing, then what loss is there if they weren't part of the mounts? It makes no sense to argue the existence of something that isn't doing anything at all, nor providing anything to anyone, now is there? If they wanted to see the fancy crit animations, that could have easily been a passive with the mount that is toggled without the need of some RNG stat boost for your RNG crits in some already RNG fights.
You said people are competitive by nature. I said most people are lazy by nature. And now you are arguing...what exactly? That most people are competitive but just bad? Makes me wonder if you've ever met people who were truly competitive. I have. And no competitive person would ever accept failure. They'll have a nervous breakdown before that happens.
And, yet, for the 3rd time, you have failed to name any advantage. Repeatedly saying "there's an advantage" is not an argument.
I don't think you understand the opposing side of the argument(at least as far as my part is concerned). I don't think anyone said the passive must be in the game, people seem to be saying "it's not a big deal, it won't get changed, build a bridge and get over it". And, no, I don't care about the passive. What I do care about it people saying it's "pay2win". When asked what you win, insisting that winning has nothing to do with it and it might as well be called pay2frog because it's all about how it sounds and it actually means "pay4advantage" then refusing to name said advantage. Sometimes I just feel the need to ask people to back their claims up. Yeah, I'm easily bored.
When you're able to cash in and obtain something, that provides an advantage, that is pay 2 win.
The advantage is the crit passive. Like, if you read what's the mount gives you, you wouldn't have to repeat, or actually even read what any other person mentioned.
You also mentioned knowing some competitive players. Who are you and what server?
So, costumes are pay2win because they give you the advantage of fancy pants. Good to know.
I mentioned knowing competitive people, not players. I do also know some competitive players and have yet to see any of them be OK with warming the floor. Or does competitive not mean competitive any more? I mean, apparently win means advantage these days so I might be wrong on what defines a competitive person....
Comparing costumes to a passive that affects competitive people, who aim to achieve the highest DPs they can?
I explained what the advantage is for you. An ingame boost to DPs.
Also my definitions relate directly to Tera, considering we're on the game forums, and not in off topic.
1) BHS has no set goal for Tera's distinctiveness (thinking "unique product unlike anything else") beyond keeping the grade A combat system and recycling content & costumes every 6 months cause that's where the money is. As a result, no new exciting content.
2) Gear and equipment needed to be reasonably competitive will be a regrind every patch. The famous underwear, etchings, +12 w/ good rolls (if not +15 for the extra punch). Gearing up more than one toon turns Tera effectively into a dull job.
3) Salty language generally ignored. I'm well aware EME must have plenty of tickets every day, but really, if someone loses it and rants, he/she needs a reminder to chill out. Thick-skinned here, but really, kinda rude whenever someone just chooses to blow up chat.
4) Tera is stuck in the repetitive cycle of regrinding every six months (save for +15, then regrind once a year) for the foreseeable future and nothing new will come from BHS's leadership. So if I want something mysterious and exciting, Tera unlikely to have it.
I was thinking of returning, since in returning player subforum, another forumite said he and several friends seem to have better optimization as of last patch (one of my pet peeves with Tera when I left). Wanted to double check it's worth it.
Thanks!
People does not mean everyone, as you can't put everyone into a single category. Even if they are lazy on Tera does not mean they aren't competitive anyways, some people play Tera simply for "fun", and being competitive isn't what they find "fun" even if they are competitive elsewhere. Some people are lazy, then people are competitive to varying degrees, then you have those that go beyond that and try too hard sometimes even to the point it kills them. I'm not even sure why you insist on bringing your experiences, as they aren't evidence of anything at all. Either way, accepting failure is actually necessary to improve in the first place for some people as learning from failures can be helpful. As I said, not everyone can be the "best" due to there being far too many variables, and the simple fact that even if everyone as a whole got better there would still be tiers with varying skill level anyways, since it's not possible to have everyone perform equally.
You never denied the advantage of better clears, your only argument to the advantage is the advantage was meaningless because you don't need it, when the meaning of the term has nothing to do with needing, or not. I'm not sure why you're still arguing your opinion when as I said, I am not concerned with whether you find the advantage to matter or not, it doesn't matter if 5 people with this only cuts off 10 seconds, that is still an advantage regardless of whether you find it significant or not.
I already defined what a "win" is even in the literal sense, clearing a dungeon quicker falls under a "win". So whether you want to be literal out of boredom the point still stands.
Also I said 3 m compared to some other people is poor yes. In general it is a decent amount.
I had this lengthy response but... I'm starting to think you might be trolling. Because there's no way you can mean what you say. I'll just point out: The eternal GW2 tools allowed you to complete your daily gathering faster as you didn't need to go to a merchant and purchase a new stack of tools. I cannot believe anyone can seriously maintain the position that those tools are p2w. So, I'm done. You can keep insisting that everything is p2w, I just can't take you seriously any more.
The p2w is only being mentioned about tera, and for this specific dragon mount. Hence why this topic was created stating is tera going in the right direction. Obviously peoples are concerned with whether this will keep happening. The p2w advantage is the crit passive. For now. This topic raises concern whether more will be added like this.
I repeated myself a bit hoping you get it this time.