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Wrathful Debuff?

So, I main zerker, have over 200 crit, and a full set of slaughter. When I do Island of Dawn I fiddle with the stats to optimize. While doing so I noticed something weird. My zerk can crit quite often and well when I am using Carving, Bitter, Savage, and Focused niveots, but when I change out to use the wrathful my crits seem to fall off MASSIVELY. I go from something like 50/50 to 1 in 10. The variable that causes this seems to be the wrathful niveot. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed this too?

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  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
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    The front/side has lower crit chance.

    It's not a 40% crit chance loss though.
  • StevenAnthonyStevenAnthony ✭✭✭✭
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    Isella wrote: »
    So I did a quick study. Here is what I got.

    The conditions are as follows:

    -All hits on a brutal basilisk.
    -All hits done to the face.
    -No crit enhancing buffs employed at any time.
    -Only using cyclone with double crit chance for all hits.
    -Just for safety, all cyclones charged up to level 4 and released. Never very early or late. (As is humanly possible anyways.)
    -Carving, focused, and savage niveots on at all times.(Only wrathful/bitter interchange.)
    -Castanic female zerk (Very unlikely a factor, but there you have it.)
    -Crit chance of 220 total. Base 58.

    Without the wrathful niveot I struck 56 crits/ out of 120 total hits.
    With wrathful I struck 59 crits/ out of 138 total hits.

    Evidence suggests my hunch may be right. BUT. THIS IS A VERY SMALL SAMPLING SIZE SO IT DOES NOT MEASURE THE PROBABILITIES PERFECTLY. I know that, but someone will argue it all the same. Cant say I had the time of my life gathering the data, but Im gonna look into it further, seems like the dip in my crits is more severe than that. Last time I was escorting a guildie through the basic IOD, and god it felt I could not crit [filtered]. Threw out the wrathful then BAM, soooo much better.

    im hope crit factor is 220+58 = 278 crit factor

    total 220 crit factor is too low for bersekers

    for my, wrathful + savage niveot is better for soloed iob or others bams, because wrathful aplyes for front and side ( because you cant stack with bitter )

    and least, bams resist crit and damage from front

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  • edited October 2016
    Not sure if the formula still applies, but it was found tat the conversion rate for front crit is 1cf = 0.1% crit chance compared to 1cf = 0.18% for back (iirc, this was tested using normal attacks, so any inherent crit modifier is not taken into account; the number doesnt matter anyway, juz wanna show back > front)
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    Idunnowhen wrote: »
    Not sure if the formula still applies, but it was found tat the conversion rate for front crit is 1cf = 0.1% crit chance compared to 1cf = 0.18% for back (iirc, this was tested using normal attacks, so any inherent crit modifier is not taken into account; the number doesnt matter anyway, juz wanna show back > front)

    That's outdated.
  • mollyyamollyya ✭✭✭
    How about your crit rate of cyclone when hit from front? I am curious about how its passives work.
  • Im gonna leave this open for a bit so I can get back to you on that mollya, but I believe that obscumbra answered the matter.
  • So I did a quick study. Here is what I got.

    The conditions are as follows:

    -All hits on a brutal basilisk.
    -All hits done to the face.
    -No crit enhancing buffs employed at any time.
    -Only using cyclone with double crit chance for all hits.
    -Just for safety, all cyclones charged up to level 4 and released. Never very early or late. (As is humanly possible anyways.)
    -Carving, focused, and savage niveots on at all times.(Only wrathful/bitter interchange.)
    -Castanic female zerk (Very unlikely a factor, but there you have it.)
    -Crit chance of 220 total. Base 58.

    Without the wrathful niveot I struck 56 crits/ out of 120 total hits.
    With wrathful I struck 59 crits/ out of 138 total hits.

    Evidence suggests my hunch may be right. BUT. THIS IS A VERY SMALL SAMPLING SIZE SO IT DOES NOT MEASURE THE PROBABILITIES PERFECTLY. I know that, but someone will argue it all the same. Cant say I had the time of my life gathering the data, but Im gonna look into it further, seems like the dip in my crits is more severe than that. Last time I was escorting a guildie through the basic IOD, and god it felt I could not crit [filtered]. Threw out the wrathful then BAM, soooo much better.
  • ObsObs ✭✭✭
    Your numbers are well within margin of error. Not to mention the sample is ridiculously small.
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Crit Power =/= Crit Factor.

    Please realise that Wrathful only affects the damage increase of the Crit damage, not the crit chance of the skill in front.
  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    Isella wrote: »
    So I did a quick study. Here is what I got.

    The conditions are as follows:

    -All hits on a brutal basilisk.
    -All hits done to the face.
    -No crit enhancing buffs employed at any time.
    -Only using cyclone with double crit chance for all hits.
    -Just for safety, all cyclones charged up to level 4 and released. Never very early or late. (As is humanly possible anyways.)
    -Carving, focused, and savage niveots on at all times.(Only wrathful/bitter interchange.)
    -Castanic female zerk (Very unlikely a factor, but there you have it.)
    -Crit chance of 220 total. Base 58.

    Without the wrathful niveot I struck 56 crits/ out of 120 total hits.
    With wrathful I struck 59 crits/ out of 138 total hits.

    Evidence suggests my hunch may be right. BUT. THIS IS A VERY SMALL SAMPLING SIZE SO IT DOES NOT MEASURE THE PROBABILITIES PERFECTLY. I know that, but someone will argue it all the same. Cant say I had the time of my life gathering the data, but Im gonna look into it further, seems like the dip in my crits is more severe than that. Last time I was escorting a guildie through the basic IOD, and god it felt I could not crit [filtered]. Threw out the wrathful then BAM, soooo much better.

    Your sample size is way to small. The margin of error on this case is +-8% with confidence interval of 95%
    So your first test have a crit chance of 46%+-8% and the second is 42%+-8%. This two tests overlap each other from 38% to 50% crit chance. If you need something like 5000 hits to start meaning something
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