Good Job EME - Guild leveling

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  • its not only p2w road eme has taken(publishers are given full control of cash shop mind you), its that pvp is effectively killed in this patch, and pve was barely worth doing in this game.
  • edited October 2016
    its not only p2w road eme has taken(publishers are given full control of cash shop mind you)
    FWIW, that's definitely not true for TERA. It might be true if the publishers were licensing the game from the developer, but BHS is in a revenue share agreement with all of them. All the decisions about how to sell everything have to be mutually agreed. This whole situation is an example of what happens when a publisher tries to do something without the proper blessing of the powers that be.

    That said, if PvP really ends up being "effectively killed" by the changes in this patch, this at least seems like a mostly-solvable problem.

  • Ariar wrote: »
    Zoknahal wrote: »
    On another note, I also cannot stop thinking that this decision was forced onto EME. They did said that after many many talks with BHS, they came up with what we have right now. Could it be that BHS were the ones who imposed this on EME? Well, that is unknown to me.

    FWIW, that is absolutely what happened. They can't outright say that in an official anouncement because of the business politics (throwing your boss under the bus is career death), but they've made it quite clear that this is not the system they wanted. They already had the system that they wanted, and were told no by BHS. This new system is what BHS required to allow them to launch it at all. Considering what they wanted to launch originally, and what we've gotten in the end, it's not like EME was arguing to make it worse in their "many many talks."

    (Gameforge, who also said they wanted to offer them in game, has a system that technically does have it "in there," but they put the tokens on the cash shop, and they drop so rarely and the odds are so bad that it's impossible to earn in-game. None of the regions have in-game distro the way EME had originally intended to do it.)
    Called it before that it was forced from BHS, they want to milk NA dry with the dragons.
    The question is, where does this road lead to, are we going to see more of this [filtered] in the future...probably yes.
    Once stuff like this starts its usually a good indication of a spiral leading down the lowest pits, then again we are probably already half way there.

    Yes, it's continuing down the "slippery slope," as it were. As you say, we were already partly there with things like inner armor and Liberation Scrolls. Now, they've taken the next step. I really think BHS management believes that the fact the cash shop item is tradeable is what allows them to still say it's fine, and they're probably benchmarking against the marketing tactics of other Korean MMOs (including those released in NA) to justify that claim. And because most of their competition is already doing it, they probably don't think people will care in the end -- and it's not like they're here having to listen to the complaints (they let EME do that, even though this was never what they wanted to begin with).
    Its a real shame, then again none of the asian mmos i know of have their developers care about anyone outside their countries, always been like that but atleast till now it did feel like EME had some influence over the decisions they make...looks like not anymore.

    More or less, its a "stand firm and take the beating" policy now.
  • Tenshi1Tenshi1 ✭✭✭✭
    Just like every mmo out there and has been, BHS has become filled with greed. They don't care about us anymore, they just want us to waist our hard earned money on those loot boxes. Ever think about when the in-game dragons don't have the buff and the loot box ones do? 'cause they make the chance too low to count, so we waist ever MORE money to get the dragons with the buff
  • its not only p2w road eme has taken(publishers are given full control of cash shop mind you)
    FWIW, that's definitely not true for TERA. It might be true if the publishers were licensing the game from the developer, but BHS is in a revenue share agreement with all of them. All the decisions about how to sell everything have to be mutually agreed. This whole situation is an example of what happens when a publisher tries to do something without the proper blessing of the powers that be.

    That said, if PvP really ends up being "effectively killed" by the changes in this patch, this at least seems like a mostly-solvable problem.

    as you said "mutually agreed". if eme didnt agree to it, it wouldnt happen. and no, it will not be solved cus too many pvp players already left the game, and bhs isnt exactly the fastest developer out there.
  • its not only p2w road eme has taken(publishers are given full control of cash shop mind you)
    FWIW, that's definitely not true for TERA. It might be true if the publishers were licensing the game from the developer, but BHS is in a revenue share agreement with all of them. All the decisions about how to sell everything have to be mutually agreed. This whole situation is an example of what happens when a publisher tries to do something without the proper blessing of the powers that be.

    That said, if PvP really ends up being "effectively killed" by the changes in this patch, this at least seems like a mostly-solvable problem.

    as you said "mutually agreed". if eme didnt agree to it, it wouldnt happen.

    Yeah, if they didn't agree with this compromise system, there likely wouldn't be any in-game dragons at all. They already provided the system they wanted in the first place, and had it all programmed; it was much more fair and included all tiers of dragons. Then BHS said no. They had to enter negotiations. This was the result. So yeah, "they agreed" but it's like negotiating with your boss -- at the end of the day, you can't really tell them what to do. Which is basically the whole point of the comment in the first place: the publishers don't really have full control of the cash shop at all. They are given a certain degree of freedom, but BHS sets the rules and is the ultimate authority. The publishers work for them, not the other way around.
  • Too bad EME can't just pull some sort of self-buyout, and then (at least) be their own separate corporation that BHS would have to deal a bit more ... "fairly" with. /shrugs
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