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PvE Gear? SORTED OUT, ty all who helped ^_^

edited November 2016 in PvE Discussion
I am a returning player and would like to see if possible a list of the best pve gear in your opinion.
just gives me an idea and a goal :)

please n thank you!
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  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    Hit 65 -> free Idoneal.
    Idoneal -> Slaughter attained thru quests and solo dungeons.
    Slaughter -> Guile attained thru LKNM and other 3-star dungeons.

    Pieces to +12 in order of importance: 1.) Weapon, 2.) Gloves, then everything else...and even that is optional if you're planning to replace Slaughter/Guile quickly.

    Slightly above Guile: Imperator+15 (Note: do not get Imperator if you do not plan to +15 it.)
    Best in slot: Ambush
    Imperator and Ambush are attained by running 4- and 5-star dungeons.
  • xvct wrote: »
    Hit 65 -> free idoneal.
    Idoneal -> Slaughter attained quests and solo dungeons.
    Slaughter -> Guile attained thru LKNM and other 3-star dungeons.

    Pieces to +12 in order of importance: 1.) Weapon, 2.) Gloves, then everything else...and even that is optional if you're planning to replace Slaughter/Guile quickly.

    Slightly above Guile: Imperator+15 (Note: do not get Imperator if you do not plan to +15 it.)
    Best in slot: Ambush

    So Slaughter is basically the 2nd best gear?
    Imperator is VM I assume?

    are they bringing out any new gear any time soon?

    Ambush? :confused:
  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    Yeah Ambush is VM8, this patch's newest VM.
    Imperator is VM7 from last patch.

    Guile is the current mid-tier and given to a decent player, can clear any of the dungeons right now. (But perhaps not in a timely manner for some people.)

    Slaughter is just a starting point.

    Slaughter+12 < Imperator+12 <= Guile+12 < Imperator+15 <= Ambush+12 < Ambush+15

    Guile and Ambush debuted only about 2 or 3 weeks ago.
    A small upgrade to Ambush will be coming in about a month.
  • xvct wrote: »
    6 - Slaughter+12
    5 - Imperator+12
    4 - Guile+12
    3 - Imperator+15
    2 - Ambush+12
    1 - Ambush+15


    and does the yellow charge on Cyclone (zerk) still KD?
  • xvctxvct ✭✭✭
    StaceyFin wrote: »
    and does the yellow charge on Cyclone (zerk) still KD?

    Ahh.. you got me on that one. I don't know. :p I've never played zerk, and I haven't played against/with them that often!

  • Normally.
    1, Guile set does about 1 times more dps than Slaughter.
    2. +13 Imp is about same as +12 Guile set
    2. +15 Imp & imp glove does 1.5~2 times more dps than Guile.
    3. +13 Ambush is about same as +15 Imp - This part is different than last season. Ambush is way too strong.
    4. +15 Amb is about same as +13~+13.5 Imp.
    5. Ancient dragon is 2.5% strong than Ambush.

    +15 ambush does alot more dps than Guile. 2~2.5 times more dps than Guile.
  • DvsvDvsv ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B_FGl2LOz658pK5251lXQ_beA8i6qCEVF9j8WZstbJg/edit#gid=109019359

    As you can see, Imperator +15 is like 9,5% better than Guile +12 (there's the extra line too), Ambush +15 is a big 7,5% better than imp +15, if we keep in mind the VM 8.5 upgrade coming later this month, this gap will be a significant 10,25%.

    Keep in mind that IMP +15 was only 4,5% better than SF +15 last patch. We got VM7 gear on May 17. That was~7 months till VM8.5 (10,25% better than imp +15)
    VM6 on the other other hand we got on Dec 8 and it was "obsolete" (still equal to Guile +12, consider the 6.9% back line) by Spellbound patch on Oct 25. That's was almost 1 year lifespan. Imp +15 is like 9~10% better than SF+15 now??

    I think most ppl here upgrade gear when the gap is like 10% or higher. As a example, that P2W dragon boost dps on ~3% i guess...

    So, BIS gear last only a little more than 6 months now. In fact, the previous BIS gear at +15 is much more like a mid tier set now, like SL+12 and Schisma +12 was on the past patches :surprised:

    We also should keep in mind that the +15 awakening system is still the same uncapped trash. We can still fail 200x to be stuck on +12, but now we do this for something that can be worse or a little better than the next mid-tier gear :P

    And there's clueless ppl that think VM8 will last longer just cuz of the VM8.5 upgrade. Nope, i know BHS very well, they can as well recycle some jpeg/3D models and update some variables (the only thing they are good at..) and release VM9 tomorrow that's better than VM8.5 +15 at +12 and call it "new content" :chuffed:



  • So, considering I have a full set of Guile +12, would it be worth it (both in time and gold investment) getting just an Imp weapon (if I can get it to +15)? Or would I need to also get the rest of the Imp gear to make it worth it? Ambush is out of the question right now.
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    StaceyFin wrote: »
    xvct wrote: »
    Hit 65 -> free idoneal.
    Idoneal -> Slaughter attained quests and solo dungeons.
    Slaughter -> Guile attained thru LKNM and other 3-star dungeons.

    Pieces to +12 in order of importance: 1.) Weapon, 2.) Gloves, then everything else...and even that is optional if you're planning to replace Slaughter/Guile quickly.

    Slightly above Guile: Imperator+15 (Note: do not get Imperator if you do not plan to +15 it.)
    Best in slot: Ambush

    So Slaughter is basically the 2nd best gear?
    Imperator is VM I assume?

    are they bringing out any new gear any time soon?

    Ambush? :confused:

    2nd best gear is imperator

    i think slaugther is fifth
  • vkobe wrote: »
    2nd best gear is imperator

    i think slaugther is fifth

    and 3rd is Guile out of all the sets at max + with -10.25% dmg/stats in comparison to the actual max gear... Im gonna maths this real quick and let you know the %, 1 moment :')
  • tested on zerk*

    so ambush is 2.4% better while they are both at 0 then it increses by about 0.8%(+0.2% each lvl)? sorry for the maths xD just rushed it really fast. just getting guesses here that are pretty close i hope... doubt it. and also the rerollable stats would also some into play as well
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    ambush>imperator>guile>starfall>slaugther

    i dont know in which position is conflate :)
  • If there are 3 dps and lancer. Maybe, it's going to be like this

    dps done on boss.
    1. +15 imp = 50%, +12 Guile = 25%, Guile lancer= 17%. +12 Slaughter= 12%.
    2. +15 imp = 33%, +15 imp =33%, +15 imp lancer =20, +12 Guile dps = 14%
    3. +15 amb = 40%, +15 imp= 30%, +15 imp lancer =18%, +12 Guile dps = 12%

  • 5H96Y49G6D5H96Y49G6D ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    So, considering I have a full set of Guile +12, would it be worth it (both in time and gold investment) getting just an Imp weapon (if I can get it to +15)? Or would I need to also get the rest of the Imp gear to make it worth it? Ambush is out of the question right now.

    No just [filtered] and get carried straight to Ambush.
    As said earlier Ambush DPS kill boss way too fast and like every hard mode patch party can carry 1-2 dps per run.

    If that's not an option your guild too elitist and you're screwed.
    It really isn't worth it as a f2p player to +15 gear and waste all resources.

    Also, tht dps for Lancer distribution is wrong as it implies Guile = Imp which is.......wrong?

    Guile users typically have have atk spd instead of 9.5% and zero etchings.
    Imp have 20% and 6~8 additional atk speed + cdr because of etchings
    1 clearly better than other by a margin and the only way the typical Lancer will reach 20% overall damage is double heals or Mystic + Warrior
  • 5H96Y49G6D5H96Y49G6D ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
    ............
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