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I know they can drop in Lachelith Chests, but these are quite expensive (sometimes going to 2k for single piece) and you can get nothing from 20+ chests. Chests should be alternative way to obtain materials, not main source of them.
About RMNM.. Yes, they can drop Envy Crystals too, if someone is still interested in this farming dung after 2-4 clears of RMHM. RMNM is different, even though it's supposed to be easier version of RM, you need different timings there, I've see some ppl dying there because they iframed/evaded mechanics too early, while in RMHM this timing would be correct. Also, RMNM does NOT always drop crystal, I've been in runs when Lachelith in RMNM dropped 0 crystals, so pretty much waste of time for those who have been doing RMNM for extra crystal..
You cant trade it, so its not about the gold.
Even if all the crystals go to you, you have to run RMHM x10 (at least for weapon), so its not about the skill. If OP didnt get the crystals from RMHM but from rmnm, then he wouldn't have asked to change RMHM
so the only benefit there is, is that it is quicker to gear ambush, and that doesnt affect anybody...
Get Imperator +15 or make your own group with other +12. I also find it funny when "skilled" +12 refuse to do end game instances with no one but those in +15. I never cared when I was rejected for not being +15. Also, how does it hurt you to have to run RMNM or open your boxes, instead of selling them, like the others had to? While RMHM should have better drops, I don't think it should be in the form of another crystal, because at the end of the day, you only need a limited of those and they can't be directly sold; which means the lack of rewards in end game instances aren't fixed with this change.
you got really simplistic thinking...
it does effect other players as the supply of fs and alk in the market will deplete very quickly with every person burning the supply...
You seem to be mistaken. I'm not a "skilled +12 elitist" like you seem to be suggesting. On my Mystic, I run with +12 or +15 players, I don't care at all. It was when I leveled a +12 (guile) alt and applied to the parties of those who I run with semi-regularly on my Mystic, and being ignored/declined without questioning that allowed me to weed out who I shouldn't invite when I played on Mystic (even by other +12 players). I don't like to say who I am when I'm on an alt, mainly to test how people treat others. To be honest, I don't "care" if I'm declined for being +12 either; but when those decliners try to apply to my party asking for a carry, when they don't want to return the favor and take a chance (or even PM me to ask if I'm experienced) to a stranger (which is what they are to me on my Mystic), that's when my views start to change. Get +15 Imperator? Ok. I got +15 now. Thanks, I didn't know that was an option. I didn't even need the design - which costs as much as Ambush if I can even find it on the broker - or the feedstock to enchant it!
Now, how does it hurt me to run RMNN and open my boxes? You can turn my own question against me, but the thing is, I actually have a legit answer. It hurts me by playing RMNM because I lose out on Tier 11 feedstock that I would have otherwise acquired from RMHM with my 8 limited vanguards; it hurts me because I lose out on the chance for a Lady; it hurts me because I lose out (I'd assume) on a greater chance for a design to drop; more importantly, it hurts my feeble soul because the bosses in RMNM have basically the same (if not more health), deal practically the same damage, but are way slower (and that's not a good thing).
I'm not one of the players that play religiously; I'm not one of the EMP sellers; I'm not one of the market-players; a lot of times I haven't even participated in those mat-spam events because I got too bored / was taking a break. In short, I don't have unlimited resources or gold, or the will to play all day. That's my fault. I wouldn't ask for it to be "easier" so I could achieve everything in the small amount of time I play. However, your solution of "Do RMNM" is invalid because, as per my opinion, it's worse than RMHM because the loot table is horrible compared to RMHM for time spent... No, I won't "do RMNM" when, in the past, HM has dropped 2 anyway.
Again, it does hurt me because, like I said, the money I make pretty much comes from what I can get my hands on and sell during the time I play. That usually involves those Lilith/Lachelith chests. It's much easier for me to run the dungeons and get the mat I need than it is to depart with a source of income. With that said, it still doesn't explain why only 1 Envy drops in both NM and HM. How come you aren't attacking the fact that 2 ladies has a generally high chance of dropping? If 2 envies is too much and game breaking, what about the people who have 50 ladies and not even 30 crystals? But that doesn't matter, because it was implemented by default. Only a person asking for a reasonable change is the one looking for handouts, and is the one that needs to grind as much as you did on the first weeks (lol).
I'm gonna be honest. Everyone saying that people should "farm as hard as I did" might as well keep quiet. Farming during a triple drop isn't hard whatsoever. The only thing that stopped you from having enough mats for 3 full ambush sets was that there was only one reset scroll. If you had acquired even ONE material during the triple drop that aided you in crafting, your point is immediately void when you try to defend that it needs to remain 1 envy drop. Start over. Don't receive any triple drop, and try to farm 50 envies. That alone is 50 RMHM runs. Not bad -- now take into account that you will barely get 15 in those 50 runs without pass-fest, and you will see how it feels. Meanwhile, in those 50 RMHM runs, possibly 75 ladies dropped as opposed to 50 crystals (when ladies are supposed to be rarer). Care to explain and defend that logic?
But instead of assuming; allow me to ask: out of everyone saying it needs to stay 1 envy, did you participate in the triple drop event (even if it was simply 1 dungeon run)?
and you must be psychic...
because when people would get VM8 at best 5 days earlier, all fs/mwa will dissappear, and everyone will stop selling...
THE LIMITING FACTOR ISNT THE CRYSTAL. its designs and Handkerchiefs. double crystals wont have any affect what so ever.
it is a liming factor if you running dungeons inconsistently... but thanks for pointing out the obvious...
You can't run RMHM 8 times a day, 2 times, or 4 times with limited reset scrolls, meaning you have 4~6 vanguards left over.
No, you don't? NM runs aren't shared with HM runs. No, you don't. They dont have more health, and due to the nature of mechanics occurring less often, and being able to face tank, thus increasing dps, they are a lot faster. No, they don't. Maybe if you tanked them you would know the difference.
So, you don't want to do something, and want a game to cater to you, so you can later complain about the rewards being bad when you finish your set early? It also doesn't matter what the past was, the way designs work keep changing as well, the cost of things change, enchanting changes, etc.
Remind me what you need gold for? Costumes to look nice? Pointless mounts? A long list of "extras" that don't impact the game beyond appearances? You can also get more crystals than handkers per day from boxes and NM+HM. If NM is too long for you, here's a shcoking suggestion, lower the HP pool in NM for the 1st boss. This probably needs to happen even in HM since that thing has more HP than Lachelith anyways.
Didn't farm during 3x drop, didn't do a single RM, other instances were more profitable time vs reward wise. (surprise end game dungeons give no gold compared to easier ones!).
What is stopping me from getting Ambush is the non-existent drop rate for designs, and if it drops, it's for some random class no one in my group even plays, or it's a design for a class where the design sells for nothing. I also can't run RMHM for gold, since easier stuff provides more gold. If I only do RMHMs, I will get the mats long before I even find the design, or make gold to buy my designs due to RMHM not giving you gold unless you get a design, that is rolled across 5 people.
I didn't say it "needs" to stay as one, I simple said it doesn't "need" to be 2. I also said crystals isn't even the issue with RMHM drops, designs aren't anymore frequent in RMHM than they are for SSHM. I have only received 1 design from RMHM compared to 4 from other instances (woo! for RNG). (Also didn't farm it during 3x as said above)
I'm very amused by your definition of "a lot". Though, I guess, I'm rarely awake in rm nm but last time I managed to have a full alien invasion dream before they woke me up cause it was time to roll. Maybe I just sleep fast...
Wonder what he needs gold for...I know there's something he might want to buy...I just can't quite put my finger on it right now...
1. You can buy designs, you can't buy crystals.
2. Weren't you telling him how awesome RNG is and how he should be opening those boxes just, like, 1 post ago? And now, her eyou are, explaining how bad RNG is because this one actually affects you.
Unfortunately, I can't remind you of what I need gold for because I never told you what I needed it for to begin with. Frankly, what does my spending habits have to do with anything? Judging me for choosing how to handle my items and gold? Nice. I can say, though, that I haven't bought a costume in a while...especially not a mount. I make the choice to farm what I need and sell what I don't. If I opened all the boxes, I would possibly have all the mats I need. However, then I would lose a source of income and have no means to buy the design I actually use the mats for.
I won't go word for word, as it's pointless and tiring. The thing is, running RMNM is time that I could be running RMHM. I don't play all day, I run what I need and I get off. Why would I run RMNM? This entire thread is about RMHM dropping 2 crystals instead of 1. What in the world does running RMNM as a solution have to do with anything? RMHM drops the exact same thing as RMNM and has full t11 rewards and a lady on top of it, and to me, is a whole lot more meaningful to run. So...why would I do RMNM?
I'm not one of those people that ask for the world, and then complains later that there's nothing to do. Have you seen me say one negative thing about the game or grind when I mention that I get bored and take a break? I get bored even if there is something to do. If it was up to me, I would gear all my alts in +15 because there are a lot of classes I like and want to excel at. Reality is, that's not possible. There's a big difference between asking for there to be consistency in the drop table and asking for free VM8. Recent history clearly shows that two "envies" have always dropped from Hard Mode and there was not one thing wrong with it.
And for the record, I have tanked them both. The 2nd boss in particular deals a very similar amount of damage, as I've missed a couple of blocks in NM and got a chunk taken out just like HM. And for the second record, 8 RMHMs a day is definitey possible. 6 is more common but 8 is not impossible. Get on early, run twice; reset; run twice; get back on in 5 hours, reset; run twice. If I get on again that night, I can reset after the 5 hours are up again and run for the 8th time. I have about 40 more resets left. Of course I can't run that many once I run out, but 8 runs is more than possible while I still have them.
And if I could just magically, on my own, lower the first boss's HP in NM by 50%, then don't you think I would :P.
All the reasons he listed for not doing NM was completely false, not sure why you're arguing against it. He doesn't want to do it (not that I want to either, I don't bother with NM myself), and you never explained why the system has to be changed to meet his lack of interest in keeping his boxes or running NM?
He's not complaining about designs, since he said crystals hold him back, you can't buy crystals unless you buy boxes, but he's selling the boxes to get what? Nothing? Also, if the instance was actually rewarding, maybe he could you know, keep the boxes since he would have a real source of income? As it stands, you either get a design, sell your boxes, or do an easier instance if you want gold Isn't it an issue the end-game instance gives you nothing?
You can't buy them if you only do RMHM unless you already have gold, or get lucky with designs, however, he's talking about doing RMHM only, and nothing else.
Not one of my posts mention RNG being "awesome", every single time I've mentioned RNG it's actually in a negative (or neutral) way, and he's talking about crystal rates and not handkerchief rates, which crystals probably are more frequent from the boxes anyways... All I said was people sell them and refuse to open them, how many over priced unnecessary cosmetics do people have while complaining about things? Also, good luck finding a post by me where I praise RNG.