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and just when we thought PVP was coming back to tera

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  • KoikoiKoikoi ✭✭✭
    Luxrelia wrote: »
    @LesbianVi You say there are good PvPers, but honestly you can't be good at something that takes no skill in the first place, I could start pvping today and beat everyone on ch within a week. It's so easy compared to having to deal with actual mechanics in end game dungeons so please don't talk as if pvp takes any skill.

    Just because YOU enjoy PvE over PvP doesn't mean we all do.

    Is BHS supposed to totally [filtered] over the PvP scene? You don't seem to realize quite a bit of TERA NA is made up of PvPers.
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    As long as GvG isn't forced on any guilds I don't see why pve servers shouldn't have it.
  • @Koikoi If so many people enjoy pvp then why aren't your queues popping? If people actually enjoyed "Fwc" or "3s" no one would complain about the lack of people queueing. Do you ever see pvers complaining about the lack of people pveing? No. Because it's something enjoyable that takes time and dedication.
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Channelworks has the shortest queue time of any dungeon, doesn't mean it's the dungeon people enjoy the most. Likewise people don't necessarily prefer kumas royale over FWC, they just expect a short queue for kumas while FWC might not even pop.
  • KoikoiKoikoi ✭✭✭
    Biggest reason people are not Qing fwc anymore is because with this patch they made the gear EQ.

    Before spellbound fwc was popping anytime. Insta pop -10 min max q.

    At that point CS was rarely popping.

    EQ gear and No rewards in the store killed it.
  • I'm done arguing with idiots, clearly pvpers are braindead. Can't understand simple logic. pve was what this game was made for so why are you complaining that you can't pvp on a pve server. All it would do is bother the people who want to enjoy actual content.
  • Luxrelia wrote: »
    I'm done arguing with idiots, clearly pvpers are braindead.

    Look in the Mirror :^)
  • 66ECX7NAN766ECX7NAN7 ✭✭✭✭
    Luxrelia wrote: »
    I'm done arguing with idiots, clearly pvpers are braindead. Can't understand simple logic. pve was what this game was made for so why are you complaining that you can't pvp on a pve server. All it would do is bother the people who want to enjoy actual content.

    The game was made for selling costumes and mounts
  • Well this thread went to uncomfortable places quickly. O.o

    I'm probably going to get my hand bitten for pointing this out but while Luxrelia isn't saying it correctly there are less PvPers in general. I believe it takes quite a while to become good at either PvP or PvE, and people don't have the time for both. Then on top of this there is so many other games that are designed from the ground up to be PvP games where they are closer to being balanced. Why go into something like tera when you can download a game and start off right away in another game? Yeah the combat is great, but again, why spend all that time when they can go right into PvPing? Higher balance, less time wasted, going against people that are close to you in ability, there's so many other reasons to do so as well.
    There are people that like both as well, but from the queue times on stuff (don't forget most people don't use instance matching for PvE!) we can see over and over again that people are overwhelmingly going for PvE content. (Before we even start to count player set up parties for dungeons.) There just isn't that many people queuing for PvP. :(
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some pvp players are showing the toxicity I was referring too lols, Thanks
  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    Well this thread went to uncomfortable places quickly. O.o

    I'm probably going to get my hand bitten for pointing this out but while Luxrelia isn't saying it correctly there are less PvPers in general. I believe it takes quite a while to become good at either PvP or PvE, and people don't have the time for both. Then on top of this there is so many other games that are designed from the ground up to be PvP games where they are closer to being balanced. Why go into something like tera when you can download a game and start off right away in another game? Yeah the combat is great, but again, why spend all that time when they can go right into PvPing? Higher balance, less time wasted, going against people that are close to you in ability, there's so many other reasons to do so as well.
    There are people that like both as well, but from the queue times on stuff (don't forget most people don't use instance matching for PvE!) we can see over and over again that people are overwhelmingly going for PvE content. (Before we even start to count player set up parties for dungeons.) There just isn't that many people queuing for PvP. :(

    To be fair, nearly 90% of the original PvP players already left Tera post-reaper and gunner.




    If you actually bring this system back to 2-3 years ago, I can already see the outroar coming from some players.

    I also brought this argument: there aren't only PvP guilds in MT. Amaterasu was a jarring huge example. There are too smaller PvP communities in PvE guilds. I don't see why there shouldn't be GvG just because a small vocal handful think they will get ganked 24/7 by other guilds just because they are pure PvE. I've in fact already showed that with Fey Forest, where actual PvPers won't randomly grief people.

    I won't fault @Luxrelia at all for saying PvP takes no skill now. BHS made broken classes that allow you to instantly dominate once you have the upper hand in terms of latency to the server. No balanced PvP game will give a character a near perma stagger. Tera gets a reaper that does so. Brawlers used to have pull effect on AA, which is obviously too broken. But PvE's skillcap is already way lower than PvP is since TSHM times. Gone are the days where you need weeks to actually learn a true end-game dungeon, especially when average players can probably clear it after a few days since release. PvP has always been a "survival of the fittest" segment, and people practice way longer on PvP compared to PvE despite movesets being easier than before. And the ironic thing is that there are more PvE elitists than PvP ones, despite the former being more about cooperation than comeptition.

    The game used to favour PvP during Bloodrave, with Alliance being around. While it is not the best, I could say that those were one of the golden moments of Tera history.
  • voidyvoidy ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    PvP is horrible in this game right now anyway. Between the notorious desynching during one on one fights, the godawful frame rates in large scale pvp battles, and the shameless class imbalance, I can't enjoy it at all. Then there's the community, which has a few nice duelists here and there but is mostly comprised of people who enjoy ganking new players in their +15 gear while waiting for their premade FWC to pop so they and their mates can curse at any new people there as well and [filtered] all over players in the equalized set (of course, this isn't a thing anymore, but you know the kinds of people I'm talking about). 3s was probably about as fair as pvp got, in the sense that it wasn't just one great group taking a steaming dump on another, but it never pops because the rewards are apparently terrible, and, I imagine, a large majority of the current pvp community only enjoys a fight they know they can win effortlessly.

    As someone who picked a pve server specifically to stay away from all of that nonsense, I am not broken up over this. PvP on CH was so dead back when skycastles were a thing, that guilds would literally trade wins with each other to guarantee themselves a castle for the month. It was disgusting and shameful and I'm glad it won't be coming back.
  • Luxrelia wrote: »
    @LesbianVi You say there are good PvPers, but honestly you can't be good at something that takes no skill in the first place, I could start pvping today and beat everyone on ch within a week. It's so easy compared to having to deal with actual mechanics in end game dungeons so please don't talk as if pvp takes any skill.

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
  • Cutechan wrote: »
    Luxrelia wrote: »
    @LesbianVi You say there are good PvPers, but honestly you can't be good at something that takes no skill in the first place, I could start pvping today and beat everyone on ch within a week. It's so easy compared to having to deal with actual mechanics in end game dungeons so please don't talk as if pvp takes any skill.

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    He gained a sense of superiority over something by trying to avoid and undermine a part of the game he fears, which is pathetic. Let him stay in his little tiny shelter of NON PVP realm, messing with weaklings like him are not worth our time.
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