Do you need +15 Ambush?

Fulzoid · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

2) I played WoW (tab targetting) looking at the floor for over a year, because I was playing on a Vista laptop that was lagging on Diablo2. That being said, my FPS was 0-1 at all time, even when walking alone in a plain field, and yet, I managed to be in the very #1 worldwise 10man guild as long as the guild remained. Beside, I was the top mage dps back in those time as well (Ulduar era). Yet, I can't remember my ping, sorry about that, but I can tell you, it was bad: Wi-Fi in 2010 wasn't very neat for gaming + a "at top" 5mb/s connection.

Getting good isn't what I saying, I say learn to use all the info you get, Guides, Videos actually makes player become brainless, they don't actually learn their classes nor stats, they just copy others which claim to be best, so drop for example, I dunno, 30 brainless copy/paste players in a dungeon that has actually a few mechanics, what happens? Wipes... wipes and wipes.

So you've cleared 30 man already right? or atleast you've never died or taken damage in a dungeon other than the unavoidable wipe mechanic? It would be great if you could show us a SS of how amazingly skilled you are that you can just read guides, watch videos and execute perfectly on your first attempt.

Cleared SSNM in Dreadnaught+12 on my ninja with 2 death on first attempt without even watching video/guides. Then I did SSHM with the very same dreadnaught group and we cleared it after 1 wipe on 3rd boss (gunner switched to mystic, else same classes). That being said, I said many times that I retired cuz this game is so easy. I didn't clear 30 man not even attempted it, cuz it's not even intresting to me to get wipes after wipes because of people who can't play. I hit the very same thing in Kuma actually, when 2nd player is at 19k dps after 2 round, you kinda know why you lost.

That is Tera community, needing proof just because you point out how easy contents give hard time to players, they're like "no, it can't be, you can't be better than I cuz I'm god", sorry to let you know, but the best of Tera community are skilled as average casual players in every other games.

Edit:
Tera has been made so "normal mode" are made to go blind and learn dungeons, they give you plenty of time to actually understand the mechanics and have time to react to it. Sorry if you can't do so, maybe wanna start from beginning as you should of done...

Ellucidation · December 2016

Fulzoid wrote: »

Cleared SSNM in Dreadnaught+12 on my ninja with 2 death on first attempt without even watching video/guides. Then I did SSHM with the very same dreadnaught group and we cleared it after 1 wipe on 3rd boss (gunner switched to mystic, else same classes). That being said, I said many times that I retired cuz this game is so easy. I didn't clear 30 man not even attempted it, cuz it's not even intresting to me to get wipes after wipes because of people who can't play. I hit the very same thing in Kuma actually, when 2nd player is at 19k dps after 2 round, you kinda know why you lost.

That is Tera community, needing proof just because you point out how easy contents give hard time to players, they're like "no, it can't be, you can't be better than I cuz I'm god", sorry to let you know, but the best of Tera community are skilled as average casual players in every other games.

yet another unskilled troll on the forums who just talks had has no skill...

Oh yea did i tell you? I already cleared 30 man on fey forest with only 20 people, it was super easy.4 tanks 4 healers and 12 dps. We did each phase in around 7 minutes, dps and healers only had guile +12 while the tanks had imp +15. Such an easy game, idk how people are having difficulty clearing.

you sound like some kid who quit because the game was too hard and now you're just living in a fantasy world spewing salt on the forums. So you can link me a twitch recording / youtube video or you might want to plug the hole that all your [filtered] is spewing out of

aeee98 · December 2016

The answer is fps and ping lag. Hue.

7mins really sounded like everyone didnt die at all though.

Fulzoid · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

Cleared SSNM in Dreadnaught+12 on my ninja with 2 death on first attempt without even watching video/guides. Then I did SSHM with the very same dreadnaught group and we cleared it after 1 wipe on 3rd boss (gunner switched to mystic, else same classes). That being said, I said many times that I retired cuz this game is so easy. I didn't clear 30 man not even attempted it, cuz it's not even intresting to me to get wipes after wipes because of people who can't play. I hit the very same thing in Kuma actually, when 2nd player is at 19k dps after 2 round, you kinda know why you lost.

That is Tera community, needing proof just because you point out how easy contents give hard time to players, they're like "no, it can't be, you can't be better than I cuz I'm god", sorry to let you know, but the best of Tera community are skilled as average casual players in every other games.

yet another unskilled troll on the forums who just talks had has no skill...

Oh yea did i tell you? I already cleared 30 man on fey forest with only 20 people, it was super easy.4 tanks 4 healers and 12 dps. We did each phase in around 7 minutes, dps and healers only had guile +12 while the tanks had imp +15. Such an easy game, idk how people are having difficulty clearing.

you sound like some kid who quit because the game was too hard and now you're just living in a fantasy world spewing salt on the forums. So you can link me a twitch recording / youtube video or you might want to plug the hole that all your [filtered] is spewing out of

Ohhh, explains alot... FF... End of discussion, grats on prooving my point.

Ellucidation · December 2016

Fulzoid wrote: »

Ohhh, explains alot... FF... End of discussion, grats on prooving my point.

thanks for falling for the bait, i'm not even on FF, only used it as an example. SSH in dreadnaught, how laughable, dreadnaught suggests that you cleared SSH in +12 pre-nerf, you can't even break phahoegar shield with 5 people in dreadnaught because it's I M P O S S I B L E, it's not a matter of skill the numbers simply don't add up. If you're going to troll atleast don't make it THIS easy to pick you apart.

Fulzoid · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

Ohhh, explains alot... FF... End of discussion, grats on prooving my point.

thanks for falling for the bait, i'm not even on FF, only used it as an example. SSH in dreadnaught, how laughable, dreadnaught suggests that you cleared SSH in +12 pre-nerf, you can't even break phahoegar shield with 5 people in dreadnaught because it's I M P O S S I B L E, it's not a matter of skill the numbers simply don't add up. If you're going to troll atleast don't make it THIS easy to pick you apart.

Ninja, Warrior, Lancer, Mystic, Priest was the combo. "Impossible" to break a shield that require 1M dps on a whole team to break? sorry but it is very doable.
Your says you're not from FF, somehow you'd fit in FF very well. Beside, I said end of discussion, you're lame and bring up stuff being "impossible" when YOU can't do it. Then you whine on forum saying others must be all noobs cuz they do stuff you can't do so you don't even believe it. Grats on being a failure, now please, excuse me, I ignoring you from now on just to keep some lucidity to this thread.

ILikeTeddyBears · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

Ohhh, explains alot... FF... End of discussion, grats on prooving my point.

thanks for falling for the bait, i'm not even on FF, only used it as an example. SSH in dreadnaught, how laughable, dreadnaught suggests that you cleared SSH in +12 pre-nerf, you can't even break phahoegar shield with 5 people in dreadnaught because it's I M P O S S I B L E, it's not a matter of skill the numbers simply don't add up. If you're going to troll atleast don't make it THIS easy to pick you apart.

Well, you can have one slayer in +12 SF break the shield for Pahoegar so...5 people in DN isn't impossible.

Ellucidation · December 2016

Fulzoid wrote: »

Where to begin... let say
Fact is that Tera players aren't elitists, they're no good at all. Facts that HH is actually runnable in Guile+12 (Korean run it that way), and here that only 1 server managed to do is only due to practice that NA no longer have. ... Grats on being a failure, now please, excuse me, I ignoring you from now on just to keep some lucidity to this thread.

Really did you just accuse me of getting off topic when you're very first response was completely non-constructive and completely off topic? I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you're a hypocrite too.

Fulzoid wrote: »

Ninja, Warrior, Lancer, Mystic, Priest was the combo. "Impossible" to break a shield that require 1M dps on a whole team to break? sorry but it is very doable.
Your says you're not from FF, somehow you'd fit in FF very well. Beside, I said end of discussion, you're lame and bring up stuff being "impossible" when YOU can't do it. Then you whine on forum saying others must be all noobs cuz they do stuff you can't do so you don't even believe it.

LOL, how deep in the sand is your head, or are you completely living in fantasy land already. If you're gonna troll then atleast know that phahoegar pillar was glitched for half a month after release so it was almost impossible for meele dps to do consistent dmg on shield. Maybe actually learn to play the game before you start calling the community bad because not only do you not know what you're doing, you don't even know what you're saying.

The fact that you're saying you need to break shield, rather than saying that all pillars were destroyed by laser simply goes to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

ILikeTeddyBears wrote: »

Well, you can have one slayer in +12 SF break the shield for Pahoegar so...5 people in DN isn't impossible.

If you walked a +12SF slayer into SSH right now, post nerf and everything he still can't break shield solo. And let's keep in mind that if you don't want to wipe, you need to break shield consistently. Brooch has a long long cool down.

Masioceto · December 2016

no u dont need +15 ambush. it's not for casual players to get anyways.
but if you're just going to complain about not having +15 and not being active to get your gear, then don't think people will listen to you. you become part of the problem, not the solution.

dinners · December 2016

Fulzoid wrote: »

Where to begin... let say
HarrowHold can't really be considered "new" dungeon to NA since every second of every fight has been described into guides, videos and stuff. NA should do better than any other regions since they do have this much information. Although this isn't true at all. Fact is that Tera players aren't elitists, they're no good at all. Facts that HH is actually runnable in Guile+12 (Korean run it that way), and here that only 1 server managed to do is only due to practice that NA no longer have. They don't learn to play, they learn how to copy thru dungeons, and doing so, you get stuck not learning how to survive in any ways.

Beside, thinking that NA will, one day run HH with guile+12 is probably a dream... But anyway, I'll keep hoping for your own sakes that happen.

1. KTera got Talent system.
2. Ktera player are playing under 20 ping. You see how fast Ktera Lancer and Archer attacks compare to N/A server. They can react .2~.5 sec faster than us.
3. Actually, +12 Guile Sorc and Archer can do as much as +15 imp warr, gunner or slayer.
4. Phase 3 and 4 maybe for only +15 ambush. But, atm, people won't take any +12 for HH 1~2nd phase.

Ashern · December 2016

TWMagimay wrote: »

Having seen perfectly rolled guile sorcs do sub 200k/s in LK NM, I disagree that it shows any idea what-so-ever. The jackpot-bust odds between +12 and +5 are NOT equal. +15 is a bigger investment than +12 => +15 player is more likely to have been playing longer. Gear carried is a thing as well, which, again, a +15 player is more likely to get. Assuming equal skill, +15 > +12 and you have no reason at all to assume the +12 is more skilled. Unless you are you and trying to prove some sort of a point.
As for ppl not specifying +15, maybe they are not only looking for +15? As I said, last night they asked, people vouched for the +12 guy, he got in. If nobody knew him, he wouldn't have been accepted. That doesn't mean no +12s were accepted.

Vouching, or being vouched for, is different. There's nothing else I can really say. People make assumptions all day long, and to me, it is lame how that is always the last factor in deciding to decline/ignore an unknown +12 without doing something so simple and humane as to whisper them to ask them a plain-as-day question. Whether or not they lie is on the applicant, but that's another story entirely. No where have I said that all +12's are better than +15. What you say is true, a +15 player is more likely to have been playing longer, but by the end, it is once again merely an assumption.

ILikeTeddyBears · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

Fulzoid wrote: »

Where to begin... let say
Fact is that Tera players aren't elitists, they're no good at all. Facts that HH is actually runnable in Guile+12 (Korean run it that way), and here that only 1 server managed to do is only due to practice that NA no longer have. ... Grats on being a failure, now please, excuse me, I ignoring you from now on just to keep some lucidity to this thread.

Really did you just accuse me of getting off topic when you're very first response was completely non-constructive and completely off topic? I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you're a hypocrite too.

Fulzoid wrote: »

Ninja, Warrior, Lancer, Mystic, Priest was the combo. "Impossible" to break a shield that require 1M dps on a whole team to break? sorry but it is very doable.
Your says you're not from FF, somehow you'd fit in FF very well. Beside, I said end of discussion, you're lame and bring up stuff being "impossible" when YOU can't do it. Then you whine on forum saying others must be all noobs cuz they do stuff you can't do so you don't even believe it.

LOL, how deep in the sand is your head, or are you completely living in fantasy land already. If you're gonna troll then atleast know that phahoegar pillar was glitched for half a month after release so it was almost impossible for meele dps to do consistent dmg on shield. Maybe actually learn to play the game before you start calling the community bad because not only do you not know what you're doing, you don't even know what you're saying.

The fact that you're saying you need to break shield, rather than saying that all pillars were destroyed by laser simply goes to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

ILikeTeddyBears wrote: »

Well, you can have one slayer in +12 SF break the shield for Pahoegar so...5 people in DN isn't impossible.

If you walked a +12SF slayer into SSH right now, post nerf and everything he still can't break shield solo. And let's keep in mind that if you don't want to wipe, you need to break shield consistently. Brooch has a long long cool down.

Are you telling me I can't do what I did before? Did they nerf my slayer somehow or did they buff Pahoegar's shield?

Ellucidation · December 2016

go into ssh, by urself. show+12 SF make a vid and break shield 3x (average run shields 3+ times). i'll give you 100k.

If you can do it, no reason not to. it's pretty much 1.5 months elite for making a 5 minute video. lots of free video recording software and it's easy to upload to youtube

ILikeTeddyBears · December 2016

Ellucidation wrote: »

go into ssh, by urself. show+12 SF make a vid and break shield 3x (average run shields 3+ times). i'll give you 100k.

If you can do it, no reason not to. it's pretty much 1.5 months elite for making a 5 minute video. lots of free video recording software and it's easy to upload to youtube

I wish I could. I really do but I +15ed and sold all my slayer gear and switched to a priest main when the patch started because my friends needed a healer. ;w;

Scythera · December 2016

I ran post nerf DFHM with a guile group and they almost wiped, partially my fault for not inspecting but I didn't think DFHM could come to that.... I've also given the benefit of the doubt to guile people in LKNM who say they're experienced/alts only to get trapped

People would rather take a +15 because @above will almost never happen. All we want is a smooth run, I'd rather not run a dungeon at all than take 2-3x as long. +15 doesn't mean their performance is top quality, just they've played enough to be (hopefully) decent, guile is risky, newbie/alt/trash/experienced player, who knows

Unless I know for a fact they're a good player, trust issues man

Do you need +15 Ambush?

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