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Kumas Feedback: unbalanced, unfunny, out of place, Not PVP battleground

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  • Fulzoid wrote: »
    Somehow when I play, people keep saying thanks for the carry or good job... If you end up being the only one saying "good job" to yourself, there may be no reason to do so.

    Else, what Divine said:
    If you do not like do not play it but let others enjoy >:)
    [/quote]

    I carry all the time, and get thanked for it all the time. I see you posting images of you getting 800k and thinking that's good when I get that in an average match, I've gotten 1 million + before in a match. This isn't a hard battleground, and trying and rep your e-peen in a level 20 BG full of noobs is dumb. I wouldn't care if the BG didn't suck up almost every PvP player, but it does and it ruins REAL PvP in the game. There's long que times (1hr+ sometimes) for FWC, CS, etc unless there's 2x creds going. But kuma pops instantly, which is why you're essentially forced into spamming kuma hundreds of times if you're farming for gear.

    vkobe wrote: »
    i think it is only 100 times to get 200000 belli and ks :3

    It takes 57 wins to cap your creds, that is to get 200k BC/KS points. The price is lowered, but when I farmed for conflate you needed 1m BC and 500k KS. You do the math.
  • FulzoidFulzoid ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Fulzoid wrote: »
    Somehow when I play, people keep saying thanks for the carry or good job... If you end up being the only one saying "good job" to yourself, there may be no reason to do so.

    Else, what Divine said:
    If you do not like do not play it but let others enjoy >:)


    I carry all the time, and get thanked for it all the time. I see you posting images of you getting 800k and thinking that's good when I get that in an average match, I've gotten 1 million + before in a match. This isn't a hard battleground, and trying and rep your e-peen in a level 20 BG full of noobs is dumb. I wouldn't care if the BG didn't suck up almost every PvP player, but it does and it ruins REAL PvP in the game. There's long que times (1hr+ sometimes) for FWC, CS, etc unless there's 2x creds going. But kuma pops instantly, which is why you're essentially forced into spamming kuma hundreds of times if you're farming for gear.

    Sorry to tell you, but no you do not do millions of dps within matches or else I would of known you. Beside, I never posted any screenshot of my dps record, so once again, wrong. Please quit digging or talk louder, I hardly hear you now.

    vkobe wrote: »
    i think it is only 100 times to get 200000 belli and ks :3

    It takes 57 wins to cap your creds, that is to get 200k BC/KS points. The price is lowered, but when I farmed for conflate you needed 1m BC and 500k KS. You do the math.

    and again, not true. look up my last comment.
  • Hexagram wrote: »
    dinners wrote: »
    Kuma is No Fun at all. This pvp BG is killing another pvp contents.

    1. MAMA Kuma is way too strong.
    2. KUMA depends on MAMA too much.
    3. Delete current Kuma and it's better to bring back old Kumasylum. Increase CD Priest's Divine Intervention skill to 2 min.

    EME, Thank you for doing BG daily event for whole month. But, please omit KUMA from the event.

    -Ask, BHS for change CS for N/A
    1. Let low lvl player join in CS
    2. Allow premade party but, restrict pre-matching the premade parties.
    3. Increase Gate and Crystal HP. - Currently, all raid tactic is same - break outer -> inner gate -> crystal. Unless it's offense is noob team, normally, outer gate gets broken before defense team get there. Increase bomb damge little more. Player got too much HP and bomb damage is too little.
    - CS is pvp contents. But, now, it's nothing but, just rushing. Normally, one round is done in 2 min 40 sec to 3min 30 sec. Increase gate/ crystal HP and let players do some pvp each other. Let it takes longer and raise it's reward.
    - Reduce Lancer's Guardian shout duration in CS to 12 sec. instead increase duration of Rallying Cry in CS
    4. Increase reward for CS.
    5. Increase reward for FWC.
    6. Reduce bomb damage in Grid. Bomb is just little too powerful.

    Section "problems"
    1. No it's not.
    2. If you say so I'll just be over here doing 900k to enemy mama while you refuse to learn to play.
    3. Priest's divine intervention was not the only problem. You could just fight the kumas and kill them to win even with all 3 grouped up because of broken class releases. Yeah no don't need this.

    Section Ask BHS:
    1. The problem with low levels is they dont have all the skills they need to be effective in pvp for a lot of classes that wasn't until 58 now its 65.
    2. Premade parties are another one of those unbalanced things. You're asking for you to be allowed to queue 5 65s against a bunch of low levels.
    3. You can set up to defend just inner gate then if you know its going down. Bomb damage has always been about 50% of hp. I assume it still does that and that's fine you should not be rewarded just for hitting people with a bomb.
    4. Sure why not cap out that belli faster.
    5. see above.
    6. i don't grid often but when i do i play a broken class and i dont care about bombs because everything is always in the air or 100% staggered.

    Overall thread Kumas current is actually quite balanced if everyone has a stick that does 10k damage and a 5 second cooldown and i beat you would you be here whining about balance? If no then your issue is moot. If yes please explain how everyone having access to the same tools makes it unbalanced.

    Keep kumas it keeps me sane from all the broken cancer classes in the so called real pvp otherwise known as FOTMPVP.

    2. If your Mama is bad, then it doesn't matter how you try hard. It's not like only you are so pro and all others are noob with playing the game with toes.
    3. There was only 1 broken class when Kumasylum was starting falling down. The main problem was 2 priests pulling tank too fast and faster than Kumas.

    1. CS was fine for first 2 years with all newbies in it.

    3. I said. allow premade and stop pre-matching. 2 men or 5 men premade CS wasn't the problem in CS. It's 5 premade team join together in one CS team with pre-matching system. If both side have 1 or 2 premade equally, it wouldn't be the problem. One CS team got newbies and maybe 1 premade, but the other team get 10~20 premade pre-matching team.

    3. Last time EME upgraded players gear to dread/ slaughter. The gear was too strong for GATE and Crystal HP. It broke the gate in 5~10 sec. Then, EME had increased a liitle bit of Gate's HP. It's still not enough to have fun in CS.

    -Before, CS team blocks the gate with siege tank and try to guard pyre. Use north ship to go behind of the gate and break it faster with back crit., South ship for Ninja, Try to take mid pyre. PVP at outer pyre to defense. Attacking mid pyre from outer siege tank. There were many tactics.
    It's now, outer gate -> inner gate or inner ladder with lancer -> crystal.
    I mean, it's too fast. We wait like 30~40min for CS without BG event. And, we play 5 min?

    4. CS bomb used to hurt so much then, it got nerfed. It did about 60~70% of HP damage. That's why 2x bombers go in pair to kill. If it does less than 50% HP, it wont' worked. I am not even sure you r using HP crystal in CS. But, CS bomb hurts like 30% HP now.
  • Fulzoid wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    Kuma is absolute cancer, I only play Tera for PvP. Yet because Kuma is the only BG that pops regularly, I've had to run it hundreds of times to get conflate. Which is worthless, since you can only use it for CU and zerg guilds infest that. What's the point then? Yeah, anybody decent that plays kuma can get 250k+ dps in a round. Pat yourself on the back, you know the right time to press 3 buttons. Congratz, much skill.

    i think it is only 100 times to get 200000 belli and ks :3

    only on lose. else, 67 wins for KS to be capped. that's 10 win a day weekly. Half that amount to be capped Belli (4500-3000) +5000 belli per day from daily

    Without the BG event, if you lose in KUMA, you get 1k KS. Doing FWC/ Grid during BG event would be fun and faster for gathering KS point.

    For me, Iron tank is the worst PVP content that I have ever played in all online games. The second is maybe Kuma Royal. Place one more FWC or Grid instead of Kuma Royal for BG event !!
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Somehow when I play, people keep saying thanks for the carry or good job... If you end up being the only one saying "good job" to yourself, there may be no reason to do so.

    Else, what Divine said:

    If you do not like do not play it but let others enjoy >:)
    I carry all the time, and get thanked for it all the time. I see you posting images of you getting 800k and thinking that's good when I get that in an average match, I've gotten 1 million + before in a match. This isn't a hard battleground, and trying and rep your e-peen in a level 20 BG full of noobs is dumb. I wouldn't care if the BG didn't suck up almost every PvP player, but it does and it ruins REAL PvP in the game. There's long que times (1hr+ sometimes) for FWC, CS, etc unless there's 2x creds going. But kuma pops instantly, which is why you're essentially forced into spamming kuma hundreds of times if you're farming for gear.


    well if i remember the weapon design cost 200000 belli

    you need i think 250000 belli for the yellow tokens

    200000 ks for the white token

    and the ores is in island of dawn, so you cant get ores with kuma royale
  • dinners wrote: »
    Hexagram wrote: »
    dinners wrote: »
    Kuma is No Fun at all. This pvp BG is killing another pvp contents.

    1. MAMA Kuma is way too strong.
    2. KUMA depends on MAMA too much.
    3. Delete current Kuma and it's better to bring back old Kumasylum. Increase CD Priest's Divine Intervention skill to 2 min.

    EME, Thank you for doing BG daily event for whole month. But, please omit KUMA from the event.

    -Ask, BHS for change CS for N/A
    1. Let low lvl player join in CS
    2. Allow premade party but, restrict pre-matching the premade parties.
    3. Increase Gate and Crystal HP. - Currently, all raid tactic is same - break outer -> inner gate -> crystal. Unless it's offense is noob team, normally, outer gate gets broken before defense team get there. Increase bomb damge little more. Player got too much HP and bomb damage is too little.
    - CS is pvp contents. But, now, it's nothing but, just rushing. Normally, one round is done in 2 min 40 sec to 3min 30 sec. Increase gate/ crystal HP and let players do some pvp each other. Let it takes longer and raise it's reward.
    - Reduce Lancer's Guardian shout duration in CS to 12 sec. instead increase duration of Rallying Cry in CS
    4. Increase reward for CS.
    5. Increase reward for FWC.
    6. Reduce bomb damage in Grid. Bomb is just little too powerful.

    Section "problems"
    1. No it's not.
    2. If you say so I'll just be over here doing 900k to enemy mama while you refuse to learn to play.
    3. Priest's divine intervention was not the only problem. You could just fight the kumas and kill them to win even with all 3 grouped up because of broken class releases. Yeah no don't need this.

    Section Ask BHS:
    1. The problem with low levels is they dont have all the skills they need to be effective in pvp for a lot of classes that wasn't until 58 now its 65.
    2. Premade parties are another one of those unbalanced things. You're asking for you to be allowed to queue 5 65s against a bunch of low levels.
    3. You can set up to defend just inner gate then if you know its going down. Bomb damage has always been about 50% of hp. I assume it still does that and that's fine you should not be rewarded just for hitting people with a bomb.
    4. Sure why not cap out that belli faster.
    5. see above.
    6. i don't grid often but when i do i play a broken class and i dont care about bombs because everything is always in the air or 100% staggered.

    Overall thread Kumas current is actually quite balanced if everyone has a stick that does 10k damage and a 5 second cooldown and i beat you would you be here whining about balance? If no then your issue is moot. If yes please explain how everyone having access to the same tools makes it unbalanced.

    Keep kumas it keeps me sane from all the broken cancer classes in the so called real pvp otherwise known as FOTMPVP.

    2. If your Mama is bad, then it doesn't matter how you try hard. It's not like only you are so pro and all others are noob with playing the game with toes.
    3. There was only 1 broken class when Kumasylum was starting falling down. The main problem was 2 priests pulling tank too fast and faster than Kumas.

    1. CS was fine for first 2 years with all newbies in it.

    3. I said. allow premade and stop pre-matching. 2 men or 5 men premade CS wasn't the problem in CS. It's 5 premade team join together in one CS team with pre-matching system. If both side have 1 or 2 premade equally, it wouldn't be the problem. One CS team got newbies and maybe 1 premade, but the other team get 10~20 premade pre-matching team.

    3. Last time EME upgraded players gear to dread/ slaughter. The gear was too strong for GATE and Crystal HP. It broke the gate in 5~10 sec. Then, EME had increased a liitle bit of Gate's HP. It's still not enough to have fun in CS.

    -Before, CS team blocks the gate with siege tank and try to guard pyre. Use north ship to go behind of the gate and break it faster with back crit., South ship for Ninja, Try to take mid pyre. PVP at outer pyre to defense. Attacking mid pyre from outer siege tank. There were many tactics.
    It's now, outer gate -> inner gate or inner ladder with lancer -> crystal.
    I mean, it's too fast. We wait like 30~40min for CS without BG event. And, we play 5 min?

    4. CS bomb used to hurt so much then, it got nerfed. It did about 60~70% of HP damage. That's why 2x bombers go in pair to kill. If it does less than 50% HP, it wont' worked. I am not even sure you r using HP crystal in CS. But, CS bomb hurts like 30% HP now.

    Sigh it has become clear this is about your fee fees and not facts.
    2. If your mama is bad the other mama can be bad too and its a matter of having better dps shocker. Take responsibility for your own skill.
    3. Kumasylum was never balanced from its inception to the point were Koreans were win trading it. It was always either kumas were way to strong or some class was breaking it. It's gone and it should stay gone.


    1. CS was fine for the first 2 years because you could just take your 5 friends queue up and roflstomp a bunch of noobs. lol it wasn't fine.

    3.You cant say CS was fine then complain about the matchmaking for CS here it means CS wasn't fine.

    2nd 3? They forced you to break gates like they do in korea suddenly the zerg stopped breaking off to try and ninja and stayed as one as level 65s this was much easier to do.

    -I am well aware of how cs used to work 3 -1 - 3 and all you shoot down north and south ship kill them on ladders and hope someone else moves that cannon to block and isnt afraid of dying in it. Thanks for the history lesson though.

    4.I havent been hit by a cs bomb because i stopped queueing it because i got tired of 5 man premades which you can still do because people whined for it when it was only swapped to duo and i never heard it being swapped back down.
    dinners wrote: »
    Fulzoid wrote: »
    vkobe wrote: »
    Kuma is absolute cancer, I only play Tera for PvP. Yet because Kuma is the only BG that pops regularly, I've had to run it hundreds of times to get conflate. Which is worthless, since you can only use it for CU and zerg guilds infest that. What's the point then? Yeah, anybody decent that plays kuma can get 250k+ dps in a round. Pat yourself on the back, you know the right time to press 3 buttons. Congratz, much skill.

    i think it is only 100 times to get 200000 belli and ks :3

    only on lose. else, 67 wins for KS to be capped. that's 10 win a day weekly. Half that amount to be capped Belli (4500-3000) +5000 belli per day from daily

    Without the BG event, if you lose in KUMA, you get 1k KS. Doing FWC/ Grid during BG event would be fun and faster for gathering KS point.

    For me, Iron tank is the worst PVP content that I have ever played in all online games. The second is maybe Kuma Royal. Place one more FWC or Grid instead of Kuma Royal for BG event !!

    It is 1k KS for loss and 1k contribution you get contribution by performing the task of the battleground which is roughly 90k damage to enemy mam kuma not that hard to do. All bgs give the same credit rewards.

    So don't play them if you don't like them It's as simple as that if people liked the other bgs enough they would queue them regardless.
  • edited December 2016
    Fulzoid wrote: »
    Sorry to tell you, but no you do not do millions of dps within matches or else I would of known you. Beside, I never posted any screenshot of my dps record, so once again, wrong. Please quit digging or talk louder, I hardly hear you now.

    As if I have a reason to lie about being able to press 3 buttons in kuma, I go by Rance/Sill and mostly play at night. I carry every game I'm in, unsurprising considering it's mostly noobs that que the BG. I saw another profile pic and thought it was you, either way my point remains. Still [filtered] BG.
    vkobe wrote: »
    i think it is only 100 times to get 200000 belli and ks :3

    It takes 57 wins to cap your creds, that is to get 200k BC/KS points. The price is lowered, but when I farmed for conflate you needed 1m BC and 500k KS. You do the math.
    Fulzoid wrote: »
    and again, not true. look up my last comment.

    200k/3.5k = 57 wins
  • Fulzoid wrote: »
    Sorry to tell you, but no you do not do millions of dps within matches or else I would of known you. Beside, I never posted any screenshot of my dps record, so once again, wrong. Please quit digging or talk louder, I hardly hear you now.

    As if I have a reason to lie about being able to press 3 buttons in kuma, I go by Rance/Sill and mostly play at night. I carry every game I'm in, unsurprising considering it's mostly noobs that que the BG. I saw another profile pic and thought it was you, either way my point remains. Still [filtered] BG.
    kubitoid wrote: »
    3 buttons. Congratz, much skill.
    7 buttons. near brawler/ninja skillset. :)

    So I believe you don't dodge, or only breath, your call. Either way you won't do more than 200k. So please try again
  • vkobevkobe ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fulzoid wrote: »
    Sorry to tell you, but no you do not do millions of dps within matches or else I would of known you. Beside, I never posted any screenshot of my dps record, so once again, wrong. Please quit digging or talk louder, I hardly hear you now.

    As if I have a reason to lie about being able to press 3 buttons in kuma,
    200k/3.5k = 57 wins

    5 buttons, i dont trust you if you say to me than you never use the 2 dodges skill :3

  • aeee98aeee98 ✭✭✭✭
    The only thing I will never get is why you guys are being so upset about Kuma's Royale being unbalanced when it isn't even pvp lol.
  • Thread seems to be leaning towards just delete kumas but I guess it's almost the topic title let me go bump a decent kumas guide.
  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bluprint wrote: »
    Thread seems to be leaning towards just delete kumas but I guess it's almost the topic title let me go bump a decent kumas guide.

    It is BHS mentality which effected us, we know they won't fix it, remember all the feedback and suggestions we gave on BFTP but they didn't fix it and just removed it :(
  • KoikoiKoikoi ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Kuma and Iron do not teach new players about their skills what so ever.

    Hasn't anyone seen the increase in complete noobs at 65 running into fwc/cs or dungeons and don't even know what a dodge is?

    Players level completely off these battlegrounds and it should not be allowed.

    this would solve that:
    One match per bg per char per day for lowbies to earn XP on Kuma and iron. Make them get out and actually lvl or dungeon.

    Lowbie CS may not have been perfect but at least it allowed players to play Pvp before they hit max... and the bg popped.

    I don't know how BHS/EME calculate their numbers for the player base activity.... but they should be aware the numbers are shrinking for so many reasons. and start taking action now to keep what player base they have left and keep them active.

    Active to me isn't logging in and afking btw.
  • Koikoi wrote: »
    Kuma and Iron do not teach new players about their skills what so ever.

    Hasn't anyone seen the increase in complete noobs at 65 running into fwc/cs or dungeons and don't even know what a dodge is?

    Players level completely off these battlegrounds and it should not be allowed.

    this would solve that:
    One match per bg per char per day for lowbies to earn XP on Kuma and iron. Make them get out and actually lvl or dungeon.

    Lowbie CS may not have been perfect but at least it allowed players to play Pvp before they hit max... and the bg popped.

    I don't know how BHS/EME calculate their numbers for the player base activity.... but they should be aware the numbers are shrinking for so many reasons. and start taking action now to keep what player base they have left and keep them active.

    Active to me isn't logging in and afking btw.

    Did you read the document in the lunar dancer interview topic? In there they talk about how levelling up is to easy, leading to players not knowing anything about their class and bosse mechanics (and therefore ruining the fun for others), and how they (BHS) are going to change that. Maybe it's not going to help much, but it might.
  • KoikoiKoikoi ✭✭✭
    @KarmaTheAlligator
    I did read it. however making pre65 content harder won't change the fact that these low lvl bgs exist and are spammed by lowbies because easy xp and credits. Making pre65 content harder will just push more into them.

    BHS is slowly killing off real player vs player (skill) based battlegrounds in favour of these mini games. Not to mention when multi q on bgs comes out (soon) it'll completely kill off the end game battlegrounds in favour of these smaller games.

    Also... when multi q comes out I believe partying will not be available? Let's also kill off any aspect of partying and playing with friends in battlegrounds.... oh wait that's already happened.
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