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  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quizotic wrote: »
    StarSprite wrote: »
    Quizotic wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Quizotic wrote: »
    can we please get a straight answer on if there will ever be a new class that isn't gender locked?

    (and none of this "buy costumes and maybe..." or "we sympathize" a simple yes or no answer will suffice.)

    I'll actually tackle that one because it's something Sam Kim (our CEO) has said publicly. What you're asking is something we can never give a definitive answer for as TERA's publisher. The reason is because we aren't the ones responsible for creating new content for TERA. We work with Bluehole when it comes to suggesting and giving feedback on things like new classes, items, and other content. Ultimately they are the developers, though, and a yes or no answer would need to come from them. On top of that... when it comes to future content, TERA has many years ahead of it. The content will keep coming for as long as there are players to enjoy it.

    If there's a class coming in the future it's impossible for even Bluehole to know what it will be like until it's time to plan and create that class. There aren't any hard policies in place like "this class must be this gender!" Each class is approached as its own development project.

    I thank you for the reply, but is there a way to get this on BHS line of vision at least and let it be know that there is still people who want it? Most of the people who use to leave feedback on the subject have since moved on to other games. There use to be 2-3 topics about it on the front page at all times, probably hundreds of topics on the subject when it was relevant to the playerbase at the time but now it seems to be a taboo/dead horse topic because "it's what sells". How are we to promote the topic whenever a majority of the people who wanted it got chased off long ago by lack of support for the issue they where having or where just spammed with "it's what sells" endlessly to the point they gave up and moved on?
    I have a couple of links from the old forums that are translated news posts from BHS. The links dont work since teratoday isn't around anymore but if you want to find the source you could look up the inven/bhs posts from around the time they were posted.

    https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-interview-reapert15-dungeonsinner-wear
    Talks about how long it takes to make 1 gender/race for the new class.

    https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-Elin-saved-Tera?page=1
    Talks about why BHS favors elin.

    Since Reaper was released players have pushed for there to be more race and gender options for the newer classes and ones that haven't been released yet. Eme has said they've brought it up to BHS that we need/want more of a variety but it seems like BHS has other plans. Not sure if this is the information you were looking for. e_e

    thank you but it just seems to confirm what I've been fearing all along, since we've been asking for males for 2 years now, but japan can get swimsuits, maid outfits ect. ect. in a few weeks, while they where focusing on getting the game released or settled in other countries no less. I think that speaks volumes for how the NA feedback is taken.

    That's due to the profit generated from NA is pretty low compared to Asia. They're no different than any other business, if they felt taking feedback from NA would give them money, then they would. There's a lot of things they could do to make things better in NA.
  • fairynestfairynest
    edited December 2016
    Do you have any plans for pvp? It seems that pvp has fallen to the wayside in comparison to pve. I miss crusades as it really brought the pvp guilds together. <3 Thank you for your time and consideration. Also I miss the sky castles all that work went out the window.
  • Yamazuki wrote: »
    Quizotic wrote: »
    StarSprite wrote: »
    Quizotic wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    Quizotic wrote: »
    can we please get a straight answer on if there will ever be a new class that isn't gender locked?

    (and none of this "buy costumes and maybe..." or "we sympathize" a simple yes or no answer will suffice.)

    I'll actually tackle that one because it's something Sam Kim (our CEO) has said publicly. What you're asking is something we can never give a definitive answer for as TERA's publisher. The reason is because we aren't the ones responsible for creating new content for TERA. We work with Bluehole when it comes to suggesting and giving feedback on things like new classes, items, and other content. Ultimately they are the developers, though, and a yes or no answer would need to come from them. On top of that... when it comes to future content, TERA has many years ahead of it. The content will keep coming for as long as there are players to enjoy it.

    If there's a class coming in the future it's impossible for even Bluehole to know what it will be like until it's time to plan and create that class. There aren't any hard policies in place like "this class must be this gender!" Each class is approached as its own development project.

    I thank you for the reply, but is there a way to get this on BHS line of vision at least and let it be know that there is still people who want it? Most of the people who use to leave feedback on the subject have since moved on to other games. There use to be 2-3 topics about it on the front page at all times, probably hundreds of topics on the subject when it was relevant to the playerbase at the time but now it seems to be a taboo/dead horse topic because "it's what sells". How are we to promote the topic whenever a majority of the people who wanted it got chased off long ago by lack of support for the issue they where having or where just spammed with "it's what sells" endlessly to the point they gave up and moved on?
    I have a couple of links from the old forums that are translated news posts from BHS. The links dont work since teratoday isn't around anymore but if you want to find the source you could look up the inven/bhs posts from around the time they were posted.

    https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-interview-reapert15-dungeonsinner-wear
    Talks about how long it takes to make 1 gender/race for the new class.

    https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-Elin-saved-Tera?page=1
    Talks about why BHS favors elin.

    Since Reaper was released players have pushed for there to be more race and gender options for the newer classes and ones that haven't been released yet. Eme has said they've brought it up to BHS that we need/want more of a variety but it seems like BHS has other plans. Not sure if this is the information you were looking for. e_e

    thank you but it just seems to confirm what I've been fearing all along, since we've been asking for males for 2 years now, but japan can get swimsuits, maid outfits ect. ect. in a few weeks, while they where focusing on getting the game released or settled in other countries no less. I think that speaks volumes for how the NA feedback is taken.

    That's due to the profit generated from NA is pretty low compared to Asia. They're no different than any other business, if they felt taking feedback from NA would give them money, then they would. There's a lot of things they could do to make things better in NA.

    doesn't part of the second article directly contradict this though?

    "Tera's release in North America was a bit complicated. Month before Tera's release in NA was Diablo 3, and month after was Guild War 2. Because of the competition, we shifted our focus to the Chinese market, because Free-to-Play games were very popular in China. But after some time had passed, Tera ended up doing best in North America compared to in other countries. " - taken from https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-Elin-saved-Tera?page=1

  • KetothKetoth ✭✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    And I believe he alone knows the answers the TERA community seeks. It's just a matter of applying the right amount of pressure in the appropriate places.

    :thinking:

    i like this part, but i probably will be banned from twitch chat for spamming.

    as promised

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  • Yamazuki wrote: »

    That's due to the profit generated from NA is pretty low compared to Asia. They're no different than any other business, if they felt taking feedback from NA would give them money, then they would. There's a lot of things they could do to make things better in NA.

    Nope, their money comes from NA actually not Asia, you've been misinformed.

  • SpacecatsSpacecats ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Ketoth wrote: »
    Spacecats wrote: »
    And I believe he alone knows the answers the TERA community seeks. It's just a matter of applying the right amount of pressure in the appropriate places.

    :thinking:

    i like this part, but i probably will be banned from twitch chat for spamming.

    as promised

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    Did you actually spam messages? It automatically times people out for that kind of stuff :p
  • @Spacecats can you make a post with all the Q and A in the livestream?
  • RKCRKC ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Any Stream Codes. Sorry Cant watch it Im at work :)
  • edited December 2016
    Yamazuki wrote: »

    That's due to the profit generated from NA is pretty low compared to Asia. They're no different than any other business, if they felt taking feedback from NA would give them money, then they would. There's a lot of things they could do to make things better in NA.

    Nope, their money comes from NA actually not Asia, you've been misinformed.
    There's little evidence to support that assertion, and much more evidence to support what Yamazuki said. The Elin article that was quoted earlier happened shortly after the Steam launch, which was a resounding success for EME. But, as usual with all TERA global launches, they have a big initial impact and tend to fizzle out quickly. At the beginning of this year, BHS re-organized the global build distribution model to lower the wait time by further reducing region-specific customizations, and then a few months later EME had a fairly sizable round of layoffs. BHS shifted their focus to a relaunch in Korea by partnering with Nexon. That's not to say that TERA NA is a failure, but there's no evidence that this is where "their money comes from" to any sort of substantial degree. The evidence suggests it's just seen as one market among many.



    Quizotic wrote: »
    thank you but it just seems to confirm what I've been fearing all along, since we've been asking for males for 2 years now, but japan can get swimsuits, maid outfits ect. ect. in a few weeks, while they where focusing on getting the game released or settled in other countries no less. I think that speaks volumes for how the NA feedback is taken.
    Well, it's pretty different. They half-heartedly made a single outfit, it sold gangbusters worldwide, and then they made more. That's sort of an easy choice. I don't think they can just half-heartedly make a male class and see that kind of overwhelming global success. If it were as easy to make as an Elin school swimsuit, no problem...

    That said, I do think your overall point isn't wrong. It's not like they don't know the forum opinion on this from years of the same complaints. They're either waiting until the day comes they finally do it, or have just decided it's not worth it.
  • QuizoticQuizotic
    edited December 2016
    Quizotic wrote: »
    thank you but it just seems to confirm what I've been fearing all along, since we've been asking for males for 2 years now, but japan can get swimsuits, maid outfits ect. ect. in a few weeks, while they where focusing on getting the game released or settled in other countries no less. I think that speaks volumes for how the NA feedback is taken.
    Well, it's pretty different. They half-heartedly made a single outfit, it sold gangbusters worldwide, and then they made more. That's sort of an easy choice. I don't think they can just half-heartedly make a male class and see that kind of overwhelming global success. If it were as easy to make as an Elin school swimsuit, no problem...

    That said, I do think your overall point isn't wrong. It's not like they don't know the forum opinion on this from years of the same complaints. They're either waiting until the day comes they finally do it, or have just decided it's not worth it.

    I guess my question with that would be, if they where going to half-heartedly try it, wouldn't the Lunar dancer be the perfect time to do so since it looks like a number of it's animations are recycled thus cutting back on production time? I think again since they're releasing a class that looks to share animations with other classes, know there is a demand in NA for males, but didn't bother speaks for how they're taking the feedback on people wanting male toon and throwing it right in the garbage, instead of saying how can we try this, with a minimal investment.

  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    no codes? My potato net atm can't play vids from twitch, Grrrrrrr
  • LesbianVi wrote: »
    no codes? My potato net atm can't play vids from twitch, Grrrrrrr

    AzathothIsLove



  • LesbianViLesbianVi ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quizotic wrote: »
    LesbianVi wrote: »
    no codes? My potato net atm can't play vids from twitch, Grrrrrrr

    AzathothIsLove



    Tnx mate.
  • YamazukiYamazuki ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quizotic wrote: »
    doesn't part of the second article directly contradict this though?

    "Tera's release in North America was a bit complicated. Month before Tera's release in NA was Diablo 3, and month after was Guild War 2. Because of the competition, we shifted our focus to the Chinese market, because Free-to-Play games were very popular in China. But after some time had passed, Tera ended up doing best in North America compared to in other countries. " - taken from https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-Elin-saved-Tera?page=1

    The article said NA did better than some regions, not all regions. It simply means NA is doing better than China and Europe. The article plainly says Japan's "odd" requests saved the game. Japan was doing bad and they didn't want to listen to them, but they did half-heatedly and the cosmetics ended up being extremely successful anyways. The bottom even says "If we ignored Japan then Tera wouldn't be here". Japan is in Asia, not North America. You can't only read part of an article that fits your narrative and ignore the rest. Context in its entirety fairly important.

    Yamazuki wrote: »

    That's due to the profit generated from NA is pretty low compared to Asia. They're no different than any other business, if they felt taking feedback from NA would give them money, then they would. There's a lot of things they could do to make things better in NA.

    Nope, their money comes from NA actually not Asia, you've been misinformed.
    Citation Needed.

    None of the sources that mention Tera mentioned Tera in just NA. It's always labeled as "West" vs "East". With West having NA and Europe combined with East being just Korea, since they left out CH/JP for what ever reason. NA and Eu combined had 58% for 2015 which is extremely low when you consider the United States alone holds a massive market share for games globally.

    The RPG genre is not popular in NA. Adventure/Shooters/Action are the top 3 types of games with RPGs being pretty far behind them. NA studios haven't been developing much RPGs for a reason, and one of the big RPGs was even canceled. A lot of RPGs in NA come from Asia (mainly KR or CH) for a reason. Tera is basically competing against WoW, FF and then a bunch of Chinese and Korean MMORPGs. The majority of KR MMORPGs see their revenue mostly come out of Korea, with the rest coming from every region combined; the opposite is also true, a lot of NA made games have higher revenue in NA. However, they don't want to focus on each region individually, they tend to focus on the biggest one, Korea, and shove that to every region with minor region specific changes (if any).

    Tera has a lot that the NA player base does not like. Pay to win is seen as a big no, and grinding for weeks for gear that is replaced shortly after is also a big no. Gear based pvp is largely unpopular in NA, and a poorly optimized game is bad in NA. Look at any major game in NA, they all run on low end computers. Korean games require a lot of changes to be made to really compete in an already unpopular genre. Realistically, BHS is too small to make many changes to Tera to appeal to NA and then Eu individually. They already lose track of some simple changes we have as it is, since they're focused on producing and rushing the content to every region.
  • @spacecats " ... alright, that's enough kissy kissy. Time to get serious. I'm going to grill this new guy on the air and find out what he's made of. Where's the Feedstock at? Where are Etching components at? How long is it going to take to make FWC unequalized, and then equalize it again, then UNequalize it again? Where's alice dress? When the [filtered] is Canyon Clash (oh [filtered] wait, that's the question I've been avoiding). I've been watching Noesis very closely over the last couple weeks. Very closely. And I believe he alone knows the answers the TERA community seeks. It's just a matter of applying the right amount of pressure in the appropriate places"
    I never saw any of these questions asked on the live stream. did you get any of these questions asked or answered behind the scenes, and if so, what were the answers?
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